Joe Biden is several days into his victory as the U.S. president-elect, already moving forward with phone calls with top leaders like South Korean President Moon Jae-in and announcing more detailed policy plans.

And even as President Trump continues to contest the vote, experts and analysts around the world are already talking about a North Korea policy under Biden — especially since Pyongyang rolled out a new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) during its military parade on Oct. 10. 

Former Secretary of Defense William J. Perry sat down with NK News podcast host Jacco Zwetsloot to talk about the United States’